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hello and welcome to the third edition

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of the point of convergence podcast as

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always i'm your host exo academian

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this week we're going to look into the

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results of the free foundations

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experiencer research study

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this was the largest study of its kind

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ever conducted very interesting

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study and very interesting results

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surprising to many

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so what is free well that's short for

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the dr edgar mitchell foundation for

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research into extraterrestrial and

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extraordinary experiences

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also known as free free was co-founded

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by the late apollo 14 astronaut dr edgar

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mitchell

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along with dr rudy shield who's a

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research astronomer at the harvard

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smithsonian center for astrophysics

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mary rodwell researcher and ray

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hernandez an attorney an experiencer and

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a prior phd candidate at the university

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of california at berkeley

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free is comprised of nine retired

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academic professors

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and lay researchers who have been

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researching the field of unidentified

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aerial phenomenon

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and contact with non-human intelligence

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for more than 30 years the

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executive director of free is harvard

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astrophysicist dr rudy shield

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this all begins though with ray

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now if you think that someone like ray

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hernandez a co-founder of the free

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foundation

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would be perhaps a lifelong uh

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experiencer

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or someone who's had a lifelong interest

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in this kind of thing

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you'd be wrong ray hernandez was

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anything but

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typical when it comes to this field uh

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he was an ultra rationalist

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an atheist um a tax attorney

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uh very much interested in nuts and

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bolts things you can measure

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scientifically and had no background nor

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now there are numerous places where you

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can read about and watch videos where

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ray

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recounts his experience this one fine

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so i won't go into too much detail but

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the the high notes are like this

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ray comes downstairs one day kind of

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down because

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their dog is really really sick a dog

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that's very precious to them

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and they expect that that very day

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they're going to have to put the dog

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and what looks to be some sort of

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strange energy

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in the center of the room as well what

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he describes as an energy being

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what proceeds to happen is uh both his

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wife and the dog

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disappear before his eyes at which point

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back upstairs and goes to sleep and that

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kind of thing happens more than you

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in these kind of situations anyway long

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eventually he finds his wife and the dog

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uh the dog has had a massive

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transformation though

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not only is the dog healed from whatever

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ailments we're leading them to have to

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uh regretfully decide to put him down

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he was healed of that on top of that he

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was running around

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dashing around jumping off the walls

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the dog of advanced years that he was

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now this was just the first of many

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strange encounters

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ray had uh following this initial event

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but you can read about that

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watch videos about that elsewhere let's

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what this leads ready to do this initial

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event is get on the internet start doing

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what on earth just happened again for an

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foundations of the scientific method

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this made no sense to him uh he came

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across a lot of ufology articles ufology

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that talked about nuts and bolts

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experiences uh craft in the sky

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and whatnot extraterrestrials piloting

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but found nothing really to describe or

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explain what he had experienced

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long story short he sends out a bunch of

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emails eventually gets put in contact

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dr rudy shield and people like that

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and dr egged mitchell explains to ray

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that relax you will end up receiving

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some sort of communication

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as to a mission this happens

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often for people who have these kind of

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just relax you'll receive your mission

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and then you'll know what your next

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well one week later rey had clarity on

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it involved studying the phenomenon in a

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academic way because he had found

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there really were no studies being done

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on the level that he would hope

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to make a long story short this led to

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the formation of what would come to be

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known as a dr edgar mitchell foundation

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for research into extraterrestrial

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and extraordinary experiences that name

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has changed since then by the way and

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now like we discussed in the first two

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episodes of this podcast

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the free foundation had a sense that a

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variety of phenomena that are often

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studied individually and separately

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might be connected when they looked

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around to find examples of studies that

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had been done to test this hypothesis

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very few by the way the study that was

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ultimately is recorded in the book

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beyond ufos to science of consciousness

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and contact

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with non-human intelligence one such

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study they did find that was very

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informative for them and spoke to how

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they would conduct their own study

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ring published one of the few

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statistical studies on uap

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abductees titled the omega project

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ring interviewed and administered a

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battery of psychological tests and

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separate 74 individuals that had

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he noted similar findings for both

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conducted from chapter one i quote

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much of this can be explained away

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okay so that gives us some sense of how

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the study was put together how it was

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conducted

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and if you have more questions there are

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details

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in pretty large measure in the beyond

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ufos book

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and it's always important i would add to

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know how these studies are conducted

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who's conducting the studies who's

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paying for it things like this

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the study methodologies always important

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to pay attention to that

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you can guarantee that any study we

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discuss here on the point of convergence

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podcast those issues will be considered

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so enough with that preamble let's move

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on to the results which we're all

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interested to

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hear and just want to remind you this uh

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population demographics for this study

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included 4

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000 people in more than 100 countries

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now in terms of first of all what kind

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of entities were encountered

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what do you think the results might be

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again somewhat interesting

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number one an energy being

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now what does this mean this means i've

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heard ray speak about this elsewhere

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this was defined as

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some sort of energy that manifested that

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seemed to be conscious in some way but

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had a non-humanoid shape in other words

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it wasn't like an energetic

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outline of a human being it was just a

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sort of a ball of energy

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an orb that kind of thing felt like

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conscious energy energy being was number

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one

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number two what do you think it's going

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to be it's not the grays

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it's human being again very interesting

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the number two response for the type of

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experience people had was with a human

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looking being

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number three now we have our familiar

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short grades they come in at number

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three

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number four again this might be

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surprising to some

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ghost slash spirit and again this might

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seem like an

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unrelated category but again there are

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lots of reasons to believe that these

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may be connected

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we'll be continuing to get into that as

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will free

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number five the tall grays so we have

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the short grays and the tall grays short

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gray is coming in at number three

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tall gray's at number five in terms of

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the most common experience encounter

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that people have and finally coming at

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number six

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is reptilians and the mantis types

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very interesting now let's talk about

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the types of non-human intelligent

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beings

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encountered on uap craft specifically so

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this is follow-up questions

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what kind of uh entities did people

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encounter when they were on board a uap

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craft and this is only answered by those

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who actually were

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supposedly on a uap craft human looking

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comes in at number one

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48 short gray this is defined as three

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to four feet tall

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again grayish skin large black wrap

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around eyes you know the the type

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45 they were number two tall gray five

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to nine feet tall

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33 and other type uh that doesn't fit

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any of these came in at 30 percent

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a hybrid now these are the what we

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talked about last week again these are

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human beings that look like they've been

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interbred with some other species some

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alien species perhaps

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that came in at 20 percent next up is

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the insectoid mantid type

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we talked about those last week as well

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these are the large insect looking

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entities that look like large insects

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somewhat like praying mantises are

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reported very often that was 13

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next up is our familiar reptilians the

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lizard-like beings

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um 13 next up

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spirit or ghost form that was 10 and

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again this is very interesting pay

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attention here

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this is on board a uap craft this is not

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in some haunted house

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uh in new orleans this is on board a uap

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craft

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people reported seeing a spirit or ghost

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ten percent of the time

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next up large animal type at five

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percent

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and then lastly small animal type at

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three percent

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very interesting results and i would

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now that was in regards to the types of

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entities that were encountered by people

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what about the crafts themselves the

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uaps slash ufos

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well interestingly 50 of those surveyed

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responded that the uap craft was quote

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not only a craft but also a living

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entity

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they stated that the uap was alive a

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possible explanation of how the craft is

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operated as revealed

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in the detailed responses to our phase 3

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survey questions

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is that many stated that the craft is

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actually operated by the mind or

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consciousness

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of the non-human intelligence operating

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the craft

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in fact one out of four individuals have

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stated that they were allowed to operate

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the craft

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either before or after they got behind

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the wheel

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of the craft almost one third of these

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individuals were given a tour

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of the craft while almost 32 percent

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were actually allowed

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now this was in regards to people's

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responses to experiences they had

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with non-human entities while on board

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ufos slash uap

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craft what's interesting is the study

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showed

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that more people actually had

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interactions with these non-human

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entities while they were not

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on board craft and this again goes

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against typical mainstream ufology

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where the discussion is usually around

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these nuts and bolts flying saucers or

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triangles

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what have you and alien abductions that

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involve people being taken from their

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rooms

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kidnapped taken on board these nuts and

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bolts saucers

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and having all sorts of nasty

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disconcerting medical procedures

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quoting again from the book here quote

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these experiences are very similar to

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contact experience with out of body

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experiences

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viewing

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hundreds of individuals claim that they

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have been taken to other realities or

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other dimensions

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where there is no time and space and

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where non-human intelligence appeared to

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have almost

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angelic abilities unquote very

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interesting

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and this of course begs the question who

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are these entities and what really is

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another very interesting finding from

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the experience for research study

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is around space-time distortions this

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was very common occurrence

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and here i'm quoting from the book again

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a curious attribute of the contact

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experience that defies explanation

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is the commonly reported distortion of

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time or an overwhelming feeling of

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isolation

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in the contact experiencer many contact

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experiencers who have been relocated to

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other dimensions slash realities

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and have interacted with non-human

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intelligence report being gone for many

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hours or many days yet when they were

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returned

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only a few minutes had lapsed many have

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reported similar time distortions in the

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presence of a uap

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a large percentage of ceos that's

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contact experiencers

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who are also taken to a uap craft

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thought that many hours or days had

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passed

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again similar to those that were

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transported to other perceived realities

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slash dimensions

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only a few minutes had passed however

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once the uap

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leaves the unusual feeling seems to

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disappear

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thus the question emerges as to whether

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or not it is possible that the uap

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may be creating a different local state

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of space time

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either subjective or objective

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experienced by the participant

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if so it continues this may account for

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the altered state of consciousness

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reported by many who interact with the

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uap

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since normal time space would end for

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them as they experience the altered time

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space of the uap

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this effect may explain some of the

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anomalous aspects of the contact

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experience reported

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such as environmental sound disappearing

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feelings of isolation

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missing time electrical interference and

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altered perceptions of space and time

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this is a very interesting finding and

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of course it's very common amongst

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experiencers this feeling of

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lost time and alteration in space and

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time

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and what's interesting is we're noticing

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in these results

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a bizarre blend of things we usually

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consider technological or scientific

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like space-time

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and other things that we consider more

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spiritual or energetic

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or mythic like angelic presences and yet

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they're all occurring at the same time

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we're seeing this point of convergence

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between all these various types of high

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now let's step back for a second and ask

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how can this be

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how can these different topics these

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different categories that seem

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unrelated in the way we think about the

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world be somehow

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showing up sometimes simultaneously in

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the same experiences

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with this phenomenon well i would argue

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it's pointing at something really

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fundamental we don't just have a

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conception of reality that's missing the

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cherry on top

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no i would suggest this is saying we are

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missing by a long shot

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this is all pointing to something

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fundamental about consciousness

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fundamental about reality that we hardly

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now let's move on to the final aspect of

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freeze experience or research study that

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we'll be covering in

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this week's podcast and this has to do

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with the overall

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interpretation of the event was it a

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good event

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a bad event a positive experience a

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negative experience

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well quoting from the book one of the

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most important research findings from

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our surveys

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is that the uap related contact

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experience with non-human intelligence

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was a highly positive experience we

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wanted to explore whether the uap

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contact experiencer viewed their

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experiences as positive

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negative or neutral we understand that

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this was not an easy issue to determine

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because of so many compounding factors

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therefore we decided to pose this

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question

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in multiple ways all of the responses we

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received to all of these questions

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indicated unequivocally that uap related

580
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contact with non-human intelligence

581
00:20:49,510 --> 00:20:47,919
was overwhelmingly a positive experience

582
00:20:51,430 --> 00:20:49,520
now in addition to the positive

583
00:20:53,190 --> 00:20:51,440
subjective interpretations of these

584
00:20:55,110 --> 00:20:53,200
contact experiences

585
00:20:56,230 --> 00:20:55,120
it's also important to note that the

586
00:20:59,190 --> 00:20:56,240
study found

587
00:21:01,350 --> 00:20:59,200
85 of those surveyed reported profound

588
00:21:03,669 --> 00:21:01,360
and persistent life changes

589
00:21:06,549 --> 00:21:03,679
that is to say these events change the

590
00:21:08,070 --> 00:21:06,559
way these people live their lives

591
00:21:10,149 --> 00:21:08,080
many of these people reported for

592
00:21:10,950 --> 00:21:10,159
instance being less materialistic after

593
00:21:13,270 --> 00:21:10,960
the fact

594
00:21:14,950 --> 00:21:13,280
less religious in the classical sense

595
00:21:18,710 --> 00:21:14,960
less fearful of death

596
00:21:21,510 --> 00:21:18,720
they also reported being more spiritual

597
00:21:26,870 --> 00:21:21,520
more focused on a sense of purpose and a

598
00:21:29,990 --> 00:21:28,710
now that is not to say that no one

599
00:21:32,470 --> 00:21:30,000
reported fearful

600
00:21:34,310 --> 00:21:32,480
experiences negative experiences these

601
00:21:35,750 --> 00:21:34,320
cases were reported they just were not

602
00:21:37,430 --> 00:21:35,760
the majority

603
00:21:39,430 --> 00:21:37,440
for instance when it comes to the grays

604
00:21:41,270 --> 00:21:39,440
for instance what do you think what the

605
00:21:43,990 --> 00:21:41,280
common response was there between

606
00:21:45,029 --> 00:21:44,000
positive neutral or negative well

607
00:21:47,110 --> 00:21:45,039
interestingly

608
00:21:49,430 --> 00:21:47,120
despite what we often hear in ufology

609
00:21:50,710 --> 00:21:49,440
circles at least conventional ufology

610
00:21:53,190 --> 00:21:50,720
circles

611
00:21:53,830 --> 00:21:53,200
most people's response was neutral sixty

612
00:21:56,870 --> 00:21:53,840
percent

613
00:22:00,470 --> 00:21:56,880
reported neutral experiences with graves

614
00:22:02,149 --> 00:22:00,480
only 11 of those reports were negative

615
00:22:03,510 --> 00:22:02,159
now which group do you think reported

616
00:22:06,710 --> 00:22:03,520
the highest level of

617
00:22:07,909 --> 00:22:06,720
negativity it was the reptilians perhaps

618
00:22:10,470 --> 00:22:07,919
not a surprise

619
00:22:13,990 --> 00:22:10,480
22 percent but let's look a little

620
00:22:18,070 --> 00:22:15,750
now regarding those who reported

621
00:22:20,630 --> 00:22:18,080
negative experiences with reptilians

622
00:22:22,630 --> 00:22:20,640
i quote from the book quote the vast

623
00:22:24,470 --> 00:22:22,640
majority stated that they were extremely

624
00:22:26,789 --> 00:22:24,480
scared and intimidated because of the

625
00:22:28,549 --> 00:22:26,799
reptilian's physical appearance

626
00:22:29,830 --> 00:22:28,559
most were described as being seven to

627
00:22:31,909 --> 00:22:29,840
eight feet tall

628
00:22:35,750 --> 00:22:31,919
having extremely muscular bodies and

629
00:22:37,669 --> 00:22:35,760
weighing approximately 250 to 500 pounds

630
00:22:39,669 --> 00:22:37,679
with webbed hands and feet and having a

631
00:22:41,909 --> 00:22:39,679
lizard head and a tail

632
00:22:43,830 --> 00:22:41,919
anyone that would unexpectedly see such

633
00:22:46,470 --> 00:22:43,840
a being would be scared and probably

634
00:22:48,549 --> 00:22:46,480
traumatized for the rest of their lives

635
00:22:51,430 --> 00:22:48,559
it was thus surprising that the negative

636
00:22:53,270 --> 00:22:51,440
response was only 22 percent

637
00:22:54,710 --> 00:22:53,280
since one could expect a much higher

638
00:22:56,149 --> 00:22:54,720
negative response if one

639
00:22:57,909 --> 00:22:56,159
sees such a physically frightening

640
00:23:01,110 --> 00:22:57,919
creature unexpectedly

641
00:23:03,029 --> 00:23:01,120
in their home over time however many of

642
00:23:05,029 --> 00:23:03,039
these same individuals began having

643
00:23:07,669 --> 00:23:05,039
multiple reptilian experiences

644
00:23:08,710 --> 00:23:07,679
and soon learned not to be afraid of

645
00:23:11,190 --> 00:23:08,720
these beings

646
00:23:14,149 --> 00:23:11,200
because they did not pose them any harm

647
00:23:17,510 --> 00:23:16,310
this is a very important point and this

648
00:23:20,710 --> 00:23:17,520
brings to mind

649
00:23:21,590 --> 00:23:20,720
the work of the late dr john mack who

650
00:23:24,789 --> 00:23:21,600
referred to this

651
00:23:26,149 --> 00:23:24,799
as sheer ontological shock we really

652
00:23:29,190 --> 00:23:26,159
can't overstate this

653
00:23:29,830 --> 00:23:29,200
issue we are hardwired an evolutionary

654
00:23:32,630 --> 00:23:29,840
level

655
00:23:33,909 --> 00:23:32,640
to respond with fear or flight when we

656
00:23:36,070 --> 00:23:33,919
come into contact

657
00:23:37,190 --> 00:23:36,080
with these kind of entities and to

658
00:23:38,870 --> 00:23:37,200
demonstrate this point

659
00:23:40,310 --> 00:23:38,880
i'd like to share an example from my own

660
00:23:43,190 --> 00:23:40,320
life that didn't involve

661
00:23:43,750 --> 00:23:43,200
aliens or interdimensionals involved an

662
00:23:45,990 --> 00:23:43,760
animal

663
00:23:47,669 --> 00:23:46,000
and yet my experience of it was very

664
00:23:51,110 --> 00:23:47,679
frightening and yet my experience

665
00:23:53,909 --> 00:23:51,120
changed over time one time i was hiking

666
00:23:54,950 --> 00:23:53,919
by myself deep in the forest we're

667
00:23:57,430 --> 00:23:54,960
talking at least

668
00:23:58,470 --> 00:23:57,440
10 miles away from any other human being

669
00:24:00,630 --> 00:23:58,480
likely

670
00:24:03,190 --> 00:24:00,640
deep in the forest walking along this

671
00:24:04,070 --> 00:24:03,200
ridge when out from behind a tree steps

672
00:24:06,310 --> 00:24:04,080
a full grown

673
00:24:08,310 --> 00:24:06,320
mountain lion and the mountain lion

674
00:24:10,149 --> 00:24:08,320
proceeded to walk towards me

675
00:24:12,470 --> 00:24:10,159
severe shock at this point from my point

676
00:24:14,390 --> 00:24:12,480
of view i'm only a few feet away this

677
00:24:16,310 --> 00:24:14,400
did not appear from a distance

678
00:24:17,590 --> 00:24:16,320
this stepped out from behind a tree i

679
00:24:19,430 --> 00:24:17,600
didn't know it was there i didn't hear

680
00:24:21,029 --> 00:24:19,440
it i didn't see it which is suddenly in

681
00:24:24,390 --> 00:24:21,039
my presence

682
00:24:26,310 --> 00:24:24,400
i proceeded to back away and

683
00:24:27,430 --> 00:24:26,320
tried to make menacing sounds to scare

684
00:24:29,669 --> 00:24:27,440
the lion off

685
00:24:31,510 --> 00:24:29,679
eventually it kind of meandered off and

686
00:24:33,990 --> 00:24:31,520
then i took off

687
00:24:35,430 --> 00:24:34,000
i hate hightailed it down the path as

688
00:24:36,230 --> 00:24:35,440
fast as i could running down the

689
00:24:37,669 --> 00:24:36,240
mountain

690
00:24:39,669 --> 00:24:37,679
of course that was a problematic

691
00:24:41,029 --> 00:24:39,679
response because i looked behind me and

692
00:24:43,269 --> 00:24:41,039
what did i see

693
00:24:45,830 --> 00:24:43,279
a mountain lion chasing me at full speed

694
00:24:47,750 --> 00:24:45,840
coming down the hill

695
00:24:49,669 --> 00:24:47,760
and of course this brought even more

696
00:24:51,830 --> 00:24:49,679
fright but what i did sort of from a

697
00:24:54,310 --> 00:24:51,840
survival mechanism was i turned around

698
00:24:56,070 --> 00:24:54,320
and i charged back at the animal

699
00:24:58,149 --> 00:24:56,080
and the mountain line stopped in its

700
00:25:00,230 --> 00:24:58,159
tracks kind of surprised

701
00:25:02,149 --> 00:25:00,240
and i proceeded again to make loud

702
00:25:04,230 --> 00:25:02,159
sounds i did what you're told to do i

703
00:25:05,909 --> 00:25:04,240
made loud sounds i waved my arms tried

704
00:25:07,909 --> 00:25:05,919
to make myself look as big as possible i

705
00:25:09,350 --> 00:25:07,919
even kicked rocks its way

706
00:25:11,190 --> 00:25:09,360
eventually it moved off the trail and

707
00:25:13,110 --> 00:25:11,200
went down towards the river

708
00:25:14,390 --> 00:25:13,120
at that point i tried as much as i could

709
00:25:16,310 --> 00:25:14,400
to walk calmly

710
00:25:18,230 --> 00:25:16,320
back down the trail all the way back to

711
00:25:21,830 --> 00:25:18,240
my car

712
00:25:24,789 --> 00:25:21,840
now after this event i was traumatized

713
00:25:26,390 --> 00:25:24,799
every time i went to not just a big

714
00:25:27,750 --> 00:25:26,400
national park or something like that

715
00:25:29,830 --> 00:25:27,760
i'm talking when i went to a

716
00:25:32,549 --> 00:25:29,840
neighborhood park where there was swings

717
00:25:34,470 --> 00:25:32,559
whenever i would see a grove of trees i

718
00:25:36,789 --> 00:25:34,480
assumed a mountain lion was there

719
00:25:38,149 --> 00:25:36,799
and about to pounce i felt like i had

720
00:25:40,149 --> 00:25:38,159
just escaped with my life

721
00:25:42,710 --> 00:25:40,159
barely and i was fearful that it could

722
00:25:44,870 --> 00:25:42,720
happen at any time again now that was my

723
00:25:47,430 --> 00:25:44,880
initial response

724
00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:47,440
over time however i began to see this

725
00:25:50,710 --> 00:25:48,960
very differently

726
00:25:52,230 --> 00:25:50,720
when i studied animal behavior

727
00:25:53,669 --> 00:25:52,240
specifically mountain lion behavior

728
00:25:55,029 --> 00:25:53,679
because i was trying to understand what

729
00:25:58,070 --> 00:25:55,039
was it thinking

730
00:25:59,830 --> 00:25:58,080
what i learned was all of the responses

731
00:26:00,789 --> 00:25:59,840
from the lions suggested it was not

732
00:26:02,950 --> 00:26:00,799
being menacing

733
00:26:03,830 --> 00:26:02,960
it was not predatory it was actually

734
00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:03,840
curious

735
00:26:08,230 --> 00:26:06,480
if its goal was to eat me it would have

736
00:26:10,230 --> 00:26:08,240
attacked me from behind and i would have

737
00:26:11,909 --> 00:26:10,240
never seen it or heard it coming

738
00:26:14,149 --> 00:26:11,919
it didn't it sort of plotted out onto

739
00:26:14,710 --> 00:26:14,159
the trail in a friendly way in a curious

740
00:26:16,470 --> 00:26:14,720
way

741
00:26:17,830 --> 00:26:16,480
and when it chased me down the trail it

742
00:26:20,230 --> 00:26:17,840
only did so

743
00:26:21,430 --> 00:26:20,240
because i triggered its instinct it

744
00:26:24,549 --> 00:26:21,440
chased me perhaps

745
00:26:26,630 --> 00:26:24,559
in a kind of fun way

746
00:26:28,870 --> 00:26:26,640
it was chasing me down the trail playing

747
00:26:30,470 --> 00:26:28,880
with me and when i turned around perhaps

748
00:26:32,230 --> 00:26:30,480
it was perplexed by my response but

749
00:26:34,710 --> 00:26:32,240
eventually it grew

750
00:26:35,909 --> 00:26:34,720
disinterested in me and wandered off

751
00:26:38,149 --> 00:26:35,919
this is just to show

752
00:26:39,669 --> 00:26:38,159
how different we can interpret these

753
00:26:42,950 --> 00:26:39,679
experiences over time

754
00:26:44,870 --> 00:26:42,960
with greater wisdom but don't be fooled

755
00:26:46,789 --> 00:26:44,880
ah this was a traumatic experience for

756
00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:46,799
me and i had post-traumatic stress

757
00:26:49,190 --> 00:26:47,520
disorder

758
00:26:51,590 --> 00:26:49,200
for quite a time afterwards it was

759
00:26:56,070 --> 00:26:51,600
probably years before i grew to really

760
00:27:01,990 --> 00:26:59,909
now in closing we might ask what now

761
00:27:03,110 --> 00:27:02,000
what do we do with these findings what

762
00:27:05,510 --> 00:27:03,120
do we do with the

763
00:27:07,269 --> 00:27:05,520
results of this experience or research

764
00:27:09,190 --> 00:27:07,279
study

765
00:27:11,110 --> 00:27:09,200
you might ask yourself how does it make

766
00:27:13,269 --> 00:27:11,120
you feel

767
00:27:14,549 --> 00:27:13,279
when you think about these results do

768
00:27:17,110 --> 00:27:14,559
you feel happy

769
00:27:19,590 --> 00:27:17,120
do you feel confirmed do you feel

770
00:27:21,269 --> 00:27:19,600
frustrated do you feel confounded

771
00:27:23,110 --> 00:27:21,279
does this agree with your own experience

772
00:27:25,590 --> 00:27:23,120
if you yourself are an experiencer

773
00:27:26,789 --> 00:27:25,600
or does it stand out against what you

774
00:27:29,029 --> 00:27:26,799
experienced

775
00:27:30,870 --> 00:27:29,039
it's interesting and telling to pay

776
00:27:32,389 --> 00:27:30,880
attention to our own responses to these

777
00:27:33,830 --> 00:27:32,399
things as well

778
00:27:36,070 --> 00:27:33,840
and again like i've been saying all

779
00:27:36,789 --> 00:27:36,080
along let's keep looking at the data

780
00:27:40,070 --> 00:27:36,799
let's consider

781
00:27:40,470 --> 00:27:40,080
all of it and form hypotheses based on

782
00:27:48,470 --> 00:27:40,480
that

783
00:27:49,110 --> 00:27:48,480
speaking of free these results have led

784
00:27:50,870 --> 00:27:49,120
them

785
00:27:53,110 --> 00:27:50,880
to some degree that's part of the reason

786
00:27:54,389 --> 00:27:53,120
why they've actually rebranded and

787
00:27:56,870 --> 00:27:54,399
changed their name

788
00:27:58,870 --> 00:27:56,880
they're now known as ccri which is the

789
00:27:59,909 --> 00:27:58,880
consciousness and contact research

790
00:28:01,990 --> 00:27:59,919
institute

791
00:28:03,269 --> 00:28:02,000
and for your information the follow-up

792
00:28:05,909 --> 00:28:03,279
to beyond ufos

793
00:28:07,990 --> 00:28:05,919
is due in april of this year the next

794
00:28:09,990 --> 00:28:08,000
book will be called beyond contact

795
00:28:12,470 --> 00:28:10,000
the new paradigm of consciousness the

796
00:28:16,070 --> 00:28:12,480
paranormal and the contact modalities

797
00:28:17,750 --> 00:28:16,080
volume 1.

798
00:28:19,909 --> 00:28:17,760
well that brings us to a close of this

799
00:28:22,230 --> 00:28:19,919
week's episode i hope you'll join us

800
00:28:23,190 --> 00:28:22,240
next week as we continue to explore this

801
00:28:25,669 --> 00:28:23,200
topic

802
00:28:27,190 --> 00:28:25,679
ufos the phenomenon consciousness

803
00:28:29,110 --> 00:28:27,200
near-death experiences

804
00:28:31,590 --> 00:28:29,120
all these various modalities these

805
00:28:33,590 --> 00:28:31,600
various categories of high strangeness

806
00:28:35,990 --> 00:28:33,600
we'll keep pursuing it exploring it

807
00:28:37,990 --> 00:28:36,000
hypothesizing about it

808
00:28:40,149 --> 00:28:38,000
but for now from deep in the blue ridge

809
00:28:40,950 --> 00:28:40,159
mountains of north carolina this is exo